Real ARtists love Real ARt

Just thinking today and last night about ARt and the whole creative process of making ARt.  What makes the art REAL AEt?  When does it move from GCSE level ARt to REAL ARt?  When do you know you are an artist, a REAL artist?  When is it art and when is it (just?) graphic design?  When do you charge £40 for a portrait, then £4000 for a piece of work?  How do you price it?  In hours? In pain? 

I was thinking about some of my ‘peers’ – some have such wonderful self-c0nfidence in themselves and the work they produce.  Where does this come from?  Are they born with this confidence?  Does it come naturally?  Is it growing, with every compliment and carefully chosen word of praise?  Is it growing from their own belief? 

I’d like a chunk of that confidence.  I think I would rather show my ‘work’ anonymously, hiding behined a curtain (like the Wizard of Oz), listening out to comments, to see what the ‘public’ really think of it.   And then there’s the public – who are they?  People who frequent art galleries?  People who read the Daily Mirror?  People at the bus stop?

As an ARtist, I should be researching other artists, see what’s happening out there in the ARtWorld.  But I was always impressed with those rare musicians, who, upon the release of a wonderful concept album, would announce that they had locked themselves away in some studio in some dreamy location, and didn’t listen to the radio or watch TV for two years…

No such thing as a virgin text ya know… hmmm – I’m never wholly convinced on that one – I think there is a get out clause waiting to be written or drawn…

So if it’s worth a lot of money, is it really worth a lot?  Is that the aim?  Not the purpose, maybe, but if successful = good, and good = £££, then to be successful = to earn/charge £££.

So why am I in it? 

For the praise? – A little,

For the money? Not really (can’t wholly say no, as it would always be nice to earn money from artwork I made, but it is not why),

For self-pride? – Possibly (pride comes before a fall…)

For enjoyment, to challenge the creative demons – most definately – to free those demons, locked up for 15 years of working, toil and strife….

Replies to my post: Real ARtists love Real ARt

I had some great feedback/comments on my psot ‘Real ARtists love Real ARt’:

Jenni:  

Comment to Anna’s blog post

December 5, 2009 by lumiereproject

Anna was wondering that how some of seem to be very confident about showing out own work, and where the confidence comes from.

From my own point of view I think that the most important thing has been the feedback received during my studies etc. I remember when I had started my BA and was presenting my first photo project in front of the class I was shaking. It was a very strong, very personal project. I almost lost my voice as I spoke. But the feedback was really good and made me believe in my self. I think I know by now when I do something good, something ok, or something bad. But it is important to believe in yourself, who you are, what you want to create and put your own mark on it. Be yourself and be unique. Take risks and be aware of failing at times too, but learn from that.

annaleiza Says:
December 5, 2009 at 3:09 pm | Reply I like that – I think feedback is important – and can build confidence in your work. I really think self-belief has a lot to do with it too. Thanks Jenni!

• lumiereproject Says:
  December 5, 2009 at 5:25 pm | Reply Thank you Leiza for bringin the subject up. It’s an important one!

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Rabhia :   (Not sure if this was in response, but it certainly fits well with the topic)

Impossible Ideas

December 4, 2009 — cloudseeker

As artists -

we believe in the impossible ideas-

Even , if it seems un-achieveable,

Self belief  is the only answer -

But also, a little money also help.

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Susan:

Dear Anna,

read your weblog about confidence this week end. 

Just wanted to say that I think we all feel like that somewhere, sometime with the course.

I am waiting for Andy to say that my work has been so bad since coming back that I haven’t made up the extra credits I needed. Partly think that’s why my student tab on pronto is empty… he’s read the essay and is chucking me out!  

Hope its ok to email this and that by the time the assessments are handed in we can  stop and draw breath and get back to enjoying our course again!

Susan

From: Anna-Leiza Barthorpe <witchileiz@hotmail.com>
To: susan mortimer <susanmortimer@btinternet.com>
Sent: Sunday, 6 December, 2009 18:48:37
Subject: RE: weblog

Hi Susan
 
Thanks for emailing re the post.  I am now worrying that everyone thinks I’m a dangerously shy introvert!! (Which I’m not!)  Reflecting, I think my lack of confidence with peers is more to do with not taking an Art degree as such – I did a combined studies degree in English Studies and the Arts – which allowed me to experience a huge array of art-based subjects, but I did not get the experience of showing to fellow art students, and presenting in that kind of atmosphere.
 
Anyway, thanks so much for taking the time to email!  And please don’t worry about your work – you are doing a fantastic job!  I know it’s not easy with a family, etc., is it?  I can’t remember how to invite/add a new classmate on pronto again – will try and do it for you beofre Tuesday – though you are still on contacts tab.
 
I’ve been looking around to see how everyone is getting on with the Unit 1 Assessment, and am getting a little nervous as quite a few haven’t posted it yet!  I’m not sure I’m putting things in the correct places, but am basically going with the rule that if I put in more rather than less, then some of it must hit the mark!
 
How you getting on with it?  Do you still have to do it, or did you finish Unit 1 already?
 
OK, thanks again Susan – you’re a star! 
 
Leiza x

Dear Leiza,

No you don’t come over shy or introverted at all! Your weblog is always great to read and full of interesting stuff. Remember reading it before starting with the group and thinking wow you were one of the ones to watch.

 Wasn’t too sure about what we needed to post, so did the learning outcomes write up with links, but not categories like some have. Got tremendously confused as was doing the essay and Andy kept changing what he said I needed to do…. I did complete unit one and some of  unit 2… but there was as well as a unit 3. So I need to make up around 70 credits to complete this unit one now… so how that happens in 4 months? 

Its not easy doing this course with a family, so I really root for you and Jenni and Hassen, though it seems everyone is making huge commitments to do the course. It is really something to be able to share the course with committed people.

Hope its all good there,

Susan x

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- Tuesday, May 26, 2009 -

- Andrew Stiff has invited Anna-Leiza Barthorpe to the chat. ( 8:32 am ) -

- Anna-Leiza Barthorpe joined the chat. ( 8:32 am ) -

Andrew Stiff (astiff)

 8:35

So did you all wattch the clip link i posted last week?

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/lang/eng/jonathan_harris_tells_the_web_s_secret_stories.html

 8:36

Jenni Granholm (jenni)

 8:36

Nice long weekend with some great weather!:-)

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 8:37

Andy -w as the link on the chat last week?  I didn’t get an email (on either email addresses!)

Andrew Stiff (astiff)

 8:37

it was in the chat archive If you have not seen it its about 17 mins perhaps you could watch now

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 8:37

am doing!

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 8:38

Yes the weekend was great Jenni.   Andy, managed to watch

Jenni Granholm (jenni)

 8:38

Had a quick look, yes

Andrew Stiff (astiff)

 8:38

we can wait incase others turn up, May and Rabhia have emailed their apologies

Let me know when you have all seen it and we can discuss

 8:43

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 8:44

done

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 8:46

Sorry -s till wathcing but go ahead and start discussing – I can multi-task!

Andrew Stiff (astiff)

 8:47

OK

Well – I found this lecture and thought it raised some intereting issues around:

 8:48

story telling

 8:48

humaness on the

 8:48

net

 8:48

recording and using data

 8:48

I felt that this may be of use to those of you looking at the role of emotion and the net

 8:49

So tell me what your thoughts are?

 8:50

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 8:51

Jonathan Harris is a good storyeller and presenter for sure.  I thought even his presenting and using the tones and timbre in his voice described emotion very well

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 8:51

fascinating – the emotion dots blew me away

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 8:52

I agree, he’s quite talented

He added the human element to his work, making the art have an emotion to it describing the human condition

 8:53

Andy’s observations are quite good

 8:53

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 8:53

I guessa this is the first time in history we are able to get into all peoples’ minds and collect it all

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 8:54

for sure

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 8:54

in such a creative way

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 8:54

it’s an entity on its own for sure

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 8:54

and immediately

immediacy

 8:54

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 8:54

I wonder the capacity of the storage system, must be vast

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 8:55

yeah!

- Andrew Stiff has invited Kevin Fox to the chat. ( 8:55 am ) -

- Kevin Fox joined the chat. ( 8:55 am ) -

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 8:55

I actually want to watch it again – it really worked for me

Hi Kevin

 8:55

Kevin Fox (fox_tmp)

 8:55

Hi guys sorry Im late

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 8:55

Hi Kevin

Jenni Granholm (jenni)

 8:56

yes, he is showing the humane aspect of the net and looking into our identity as human…or so…interesting

Hi Kevin

 8:56

Andrew Stiff (astiff)

 8:57

most of the info is text based though so whilst there is a huge quantity of information its relativley small

Kevin Fox (fox_tmp)

 8:57

Hi Jenni. Are we discussing our friend from last week. The feelings guy?

Jenni Granholm (jenni)

 8:57

Yep;-)

Andrew Stiff (astiff)

 8:57

just for you Kevin

 8:57

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 8:57

lol Andy

Kevin Fox (fox_tmp)

 8:58

Yeah, it was good. But I was kinda left thinking… And his ppoint is..?

Donr get mr wrong it was very interesting but beyound that I dint get much from it..

 8:59

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 8:59

to me it was  a kind of extension – taking twitter, facebook kind of “what are you doing now…” stuff to another level…

Andrew Stiff (astiff)

 8:59

yes i know what you mean -  however for those looking at the role of the internet

Kevin Fox (fox_tmp)

 8:59

Oh yes absolutely .

Andrew Stiff (astiff)

 8:59

and how we engage with it i feel its importnat

mainly for the notion of collating primary research

 9:00

Kevin Fox (fox_tmp)

 9:00

completely.

Andrew Stiff (astiff)

 9:02

how do you feel this relates to twitter / blogging / facebook etc. [other then that fact that it uses these sites to harvest the information

?

 9:02

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 9:03

It's a new entity I think, it's taking bits and pieces and using it as a thermostat and deciding if the world is happy or what not

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 9:05

Every day, I get about 10 - 20 updates on 'aquantances' feelings at the time (ie Anna-Leiza is....confused!" - this is the same thing - jsut extended to the world!

This is on Facebook by the way#

 9:05

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 9:05

Leiza's observation is great, I think that describes it better

Kevin Fox (fox_tmp)

 9:05

I thought it was very interesting tchnology, but I would really wonder about his numbers.

As we discussed with Rabhia, like photos on face book,

 9:06

people can 'missinform' via the internet.

 9:06

Andrew Stiff (astiff)

 9:07

but the scale of the data would perhaps negate any individual manipulation?

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 9:07

I like that he used the text "I feel" to get the info - digs into the human emotional side

Kevin Fox (fox_tmp)

 9:07

Thats a good point Andy

However, I would like to see more examples than the ones he showed, to make sure the numbers were true.

 9:08

Andrew Stiff (astiff)

 9:08

here's another

http://www.bigspaceship.com/portfolio/hope-vs-despair

 9:08

Kevin Fox (fox_tmp)

 9:08

When he said I think it was 3.1 of the world is feeling used, what does that mean?

Andrew Stiff (astiff)

 9:09

this is the big problem perhaps - this is based on those that use twitter / facebook etc.

whilst it could be argued that is a cross section of the world population, it maybe ignores the digital divide, and thiose that do not wish to share their emotional state in an online way

 9:11

but is there a convenient split?

 9:11

Kevin Fox (fox_tmp)

 9:12

How do you mean convenient Andy?

Andrew Stiff (astiff)

 9:13

perhaps convenient is not quite the right word -  but i meant in the way that i used the 'digital divide' - this is something that exists but is used to split society that maybe is not entirely accurate

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 9:14

if you're not online you're invisible?

Andrew Stiff (astiff)

 9:14

because access is much easier and more widely spread

perhaps - but again are these definitions to easy? Thats what i was trying to get at

 9:15

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 9:15

are you TOO visible when you aRE online though?

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 9:16

that's a good point!

Andrew Stiff (astiff)

 9:17

well many people put alot more information about themselves online that could really be considered intersting

Kevin Fox (fox_tmp)

 9:17

They do acknowledge that there is a 'real and the digital world' is this always, confirming that there is a difference. So do we question the verasity of the figuers and findings? If there are any...

Considered intersting by who though?

 9:19

Am I the only one that is slightly unsetteled by all this collecting of data? collecting emotional data.. Is that a good thing?

 9:19

Andrew Stiff (astiff)

 9:19

i think this project just presents that data -  we interpret - but my concern is the validity - are we making up assumptions given the data, and arguably the scale of data?

thats my thoghts Kevin - personally i have no interest in the feelings of others - except obvioulsy my wonderful students and colleagues

 9:20

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 9:21

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 9:21

lol Andy

Kevin Fox (fox_tmp)

 9:21

Im in your club Andy...

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 9:21

I agree - it is a little worrying - big brother reaching into the mind now?

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 9:21

lol Leiza!

Kevin Fox (fox_tmp)

 9:22

I dont care how most people feel. I do care that we have possible access to the data however.

It these figuers are true, would I be right in saying this is the first time man kind has

 9:22

begun collecting information on feelings,

 9:22

and the first time that we can could have the ability to use that data for waht ever end.

 9:23

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 9:23

to this scale I would say yes

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 9:23

It's a scary thought for sure

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 9:23

due to the popularity of twitter, Facebook, etc

Kevin Fox (fox_tmp)

 9:24

I suspect advertisnig would love this information.

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 9:24

I know what you mean Kevin

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 9:25

don't like th thought of my emotions on an access database, ready to be displayed in a chart

in comaprison with the wather and my gepgraphical location!

 9:25

Kevin Fox (fox_tmp)

 9:25

Well, the more we talk about it. Its making me think of teo things. Advertising and politics...

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 9:25

I agree, I think this should be kept confidential, one is accessing the data without consent

or should i say using without consent

 9:26

Kevin Fox (fox_tmp)

 9:26

In pitics, they use 'leaks' on Government papers and plans to guage the feelings of the people on the street to see policy should be persued...

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 9:26

but I think there was a youtube video one of us posted which says that once you sign onto facebook, they could use that data for certain things if they so wish

Kevin is right about the politics

 9:27

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 9:27

Yep - I am on FB and I get targeted advertising to my birth year, to toipics I have mentioned....

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 9:27

Someone was telling me the H1N1 is a tool to see the viability of drugs and vaccinations, and also prepardness measures

Kevin Fox (fox_tmp)

 9:27

Advertising has always followed the 'feelings' of people in the street to sell products.. Think endorsements . David Beckham etc.

If they know what you think they can target products to you .

 9:28

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 9:28

yup

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 9:28

Ads for sure

yes

 9:28

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 9:29

but it's not just what you think - they ar combining it with other data such as weather, current affairs, location, etc - to get a clear picture

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 9:30

wow!  So mood and setting plays a big part of the picture

Kevin Fox (fox_tmp)

 9:31

Yeah, the more they have the more they can use. They can also find connections between mood and weathwer and location... depression is much more common in areas of the worldthat recvie less hours of day light. for example.

Jenni Granholm (jenni)

 9:32

Sorry I'm back.Intersting Anna.Never looked at my ads really.Only that there is something about bigger breasts etc...Which doesn't really fit what I've been writing...

Kevin Fox (fox_tmp)

 9:32

But to get back to our friend before we turn into conspiracy nuts... I think his approach is amazing/

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 9:32

LOL JEnni!! ; )

Jenni Granholm (jenni)

 9:32

Yep Kevin.Finland tps the depression charts;-)

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 9:32

lol

Kevin Fox (fox_tmp)

 9:33

Thats not the weather though Jenni. Thats the ever declining football team.

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 9:34

lol

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 9:34

Jenni Granholm (jenni)

 9:34

Hah hah!

Kevin Fox (fox_tmp)

 9:34

Just kidding. Yeah I think alot of the nordic countries have higher depression numbers, and if Im not wrong the rate of suicide rises during the winter months.

Andrew Stiff (astiff)

 9:34

One of the things that i found interesting is the perception of this project

Jenni Granholm (jenni)

 9:36

true, but the top months in suicide are in the spring

Kevin Fox (fox_tmp)

 9:37

Really.  I wonder if there is any data that would suggest why? after the darkest months. Can we put that into his scheme and see what it gives back.

Andrew Stiff (astiff)

 9:37

many of the comments on the webpage, mention the danger of the project:

Sep 10 2008: an amazing programme.... dangerous though... and a little wrong.... survellence will always be exploited

 9:37

Kevin Fox (fox_tmp)

 9:38

Well that seems to be a very natural reaction I think...

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 9:38

for sure, I noticed that a lot of the comments on the page more intelligent than comments normally found online.  The TED comments are quite good

Andrew Stiff (astiff)

 9:38

this programme mines words from public spaces - do you think this coud be considered dangourous?

Jenni Granholm (jenni)

 9:38

yes I saw t5hat too.people are concerned about the data getting into wrong hands...

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 9:40

i think so, i went to a news conference with a friend at the Minster of Health Promotions office, and he made sure to take a audio and visual recording of the press to ensure that he wasn't being misquoted.  I know it sounds drastic to take a visual recording of questions, but sometimes it's just that extra precaution

Andrew Stiff (astiff)

 9:43

this is why its dangerous to use the medias interpretation of events  / situations - they often highlight a 'sexy' issue way beyond its importance or affect

because it sells / follows their political agenda

 9:43

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 9:43

that's the truth definitely

Andrew Stiff (astiff)

 9:44

have you all looked at this site:

http://infosthetics.com/

 9:46

sorry lost he link there

 9:46

I think the name speaks for itself

 9:48

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 9:48

wow, that's a good site.  I guess it pays to be a resourceful researcher - I would never have found this site myself

Andrew Stiff (astiff)

 9:49

but its interesting how the relationship between information [pure numbers and facts]

 and the visaul dsplay of that inofrmation, is suddenly going through a major transformation

 9:50

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 9:51

I remember that visual representations back in the day were only bar, line and pie graphs.  This is a much different change

Andrew Stiff (astiff)

 9:51

what are your thoughts on this purly digital phenomina [spelling????]

same here

 9:51

Kevin Fox (fox_tmp)

 9:51

Well part of it is an accessability issue i think.

Its much easier to get images and design on the web

 9:52

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 9:52

For researchers this would be good, and would include us visual learners

Kevin Fox (fox_tmp)

 9:52

but you have to pay for it ion publication

Jenni Granholm (jenni)

 9:52

This is great for nicole…she was talking something about including charts into her final piece…

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 9:53

Yep, good stuff!  Nicole is lucky!

Kevin Fox (fox_tmp)

 9:54

There is also an ‘Offical’ side to documentation. Adding images simplifies and removes that level of specilisation.

Offical reports cant be made up of fancy graphics and sticj men. It would seem to.. easy.

 9:54

Andrew Stiff (astiff)

 9:54

do you think there is a conflict at the heart of this though? The representataion of data is down to whose graphics is cooler? Does this ultimately undermine the stats?

Kevin Fox (fox_tmp)

 9:55

98.2% of all statistics are made up anyway.

I think it depends on who is using/looking for numbers. Most people find what they want in them anyway.

 9:56

Andrew Stiff (astiff)

 9:57

there is a clear difference though – between peer reviewed stats [such as in journals]

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 9:57

Perhaps in things like trade shows etc., the bigger and better display you have more people will come to your booth.  I know that was a big problem with my youngest sister.  She was convinced that the best university was the one with the best brochure etc.

Andrew Stiff (astiff)

 9:57

and the kind used in general media

Jenni Granholm (jenni)

 9:59

true hassen.its easier to sell the data with the collest design.

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 9:59

for sure

Kevin Fox (fox_tmp)

 10:00

But most of the bodies that collect these numbers are also looking for thier numbers to be viewed to justify thier process. I dont hink Mori for example need to do massive graphic desings as they are a very trusted body.

Therer is a small level of peacocking.

 10:01

Andrew Stiff (astiff)

 10:01

but mori just sell the pure data -  the tv’s newspapers convert that into the graphics

Kevin Fox (fox_tmp)

 10:02

But thastds

Sorry

 10:02

But thats what I mean by peacocking.

 10:02

Andrew Stiff (astiff)

 10:03

i think the  issue of looking for data / stats to support a particular issue is much harder in peer reviewed scenarios -  as a personal agenda will get picked up by the panel

Kevin Fox (fox_tmp)

 10:03

You will see the same figuers on the BBC and C4 both they will be prsented very differently, as they are looking for your attention

What pannel?

 10:04

Andrew Stiff (astiff)

 10:04

sure -  and in the newspapers they get diffeent graphics to support the owners political agenda

Kevin Fox (fox_tmp)

 10:05

Yeah – Guardian v Mail would use diffent polsters also.

Andrew Stiff (astiff)

 10:05

panel – an article will be discussied by a panel prior to publication – not always but most of the time

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 10:05

Sorry guys – have to run off to work now – thanks – great chat today !

Kevin Fox (fox_tmp)

 10:05

Bye Anna

Jenni Granholm (jenni)

 10:05

Bye Anna!Thanks

Andrew Stiff (astiff)

 10:05

bye ana

1:24 realtime

Archive Chat re MPR

 Chat: Tues February 24th 2009

8:42

It’s basically like this chat, say it’s May’s turn, so she can’t discuss anything about her work, but we all talk about what we think about her 500 words

we’ll have our crit on March 10 Rabhia

 8:42

Rabhia Saeeda (rabhia)

 8:42

Go /May

May Promjiem (promjiem_tmp)

 8:43

hehehe

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 8:43

I still feel like I’m in the initial stages, ie not much to actually contirbute with yet re the project….

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 8:43

do you all have art made for your blog?

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 8:43

so finding it hard to know what to write about

May Promjiem (promjiem_tmp)

 8:43

nope.. havent had time to blog for agesss :’(

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 8:44

I know what you mean, leiza, still in its intial stages

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 8:44

when we watcheds teh fulltimers

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 8:44

I know what you mean May. 

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 8:44

they are obviously ahead of us

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 8:44

i know!

Rabhia Saeeda (rabhia)

 8:44

art 4 blog, what do u mean?

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 8:44

i guess it’s a different style of learning between us and face to face

Rabhia, it’s a bit of art in progress that you include with your 500 words

 8:45

you have poems I guess, Rabhia, so inlcude a piece of that

 8:45

Rabhia Saeeda (rabhia)

 8:45

my Blog is my work,my work is my blog

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 8:45

i’m concerned that my project isn’t concrete inside3 my head – so who knows what everyone else will make of it…

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 8:45

You could also say in your blog that it’s just a piece in progress

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 8:45

or won’t!

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 8:46

i know, it’ll be an experience for sure

you were there yesterday right Leiza?

 8:46

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 8:46

I’m sure it will be beneficial

yup – I was there for the most par6t

 8:46

quite crazy to be honest!

 8:46

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 8:46

so much typing I actually thought that Bob and Brian were the same person!

They had their paragraphs running at the same time and I wondered how this guy types so fast!

 8:47

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 8:47

I did too t first – well I kept getting them mixed up!

 8:47

Rabhia Saeeda (rabhia)

 8:47

it didn’t make much sense ,even watching it while it was typed ,to get back to May

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 8:48

some of the suggestiions, to be honest, weren’t worth that much

I think other were beneficial so you must take it with a grain of salt

 8:48

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 8:48

Mm the f2f ones we watched were a bit more constructive

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 8:48

yes those were good

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 8:48

maybe there was just too many people online?

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 8:49

yes that was it Leiza

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 8:49

maybe everyone should have posted a comment on each others’ blogs…?

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 8:49

a different atmosphere than what we have here

a comment would be better

 8:50

we should do that with our work, Leiza is right

 8:50

Rabhia Saeeda (rabhia)

 8:50

yeah ,were all warm and friendly

Anna-Leiza Barthorpe (abarthorpe_tmp)

 8:51

Hassen Husain (hassen)

 8:51

lol

May Promjiem (promjiem_tmp)

 8:51

Email – from F2F Part-timer

Email from face-to-face student, Andrew (we previously commented on each others’ posts)

Hey, thanks for your comments on my blog/project proposal.
I came to the conclusion that no one was ever going to look at my blog (except Andy, maybe?)
So thanks for showing an interest.

Had another look at your blog, seems you have been really busy,  was inspired  by a lot of your ideas. Particularly the ideas about the ‘soul/psyche’ of the digital body.
This is something I often think about also, I guess it is quite important if thinking about digital art. Sometimes I feel like all of my creative energy gets consumed by the computer and by software. I guess I am becoming a bit technophobic largely because of an inability to overcome this old steriotype that good art should be raw and expressionistic. I hope to overcome this somehow through my M.A course.
Thus quite keen to hear about the experiences of other people and how they manage to express themselves through technology.
Your project sounds great though, I think because your aims are so culturally significant and necessary the outcome of what you are doing will be insightful and very interesting regardless of what you end up with.

Anyway was wondering how you are finding the experience of studying online? it is quite interesting with this course to compare the two modes of study, I sometimes feel as though  the ‘in person mode’ is becoming slightly redundant and that online study is perhaps more relevant or more appropriate somehow, no one ever seems really there and most of the communication is done through computers anyway.
Was thinking to change to online study for the second year, that way I can compare both.

Anyway thanks for getting back to me, hope you don’t mind the email, was not sure where to post my reply, (not to sure what is the appropriate etiquette with this ).

BTW the essay by Heideggar is called ‘The Origin of the work of art’ (I got the title wrong on my blog page).
Some of the books on your reading list sound good for me also,  

Georges, T. (2003), Digital Soul  ? this sound nice.

+ Andy is telling me I have to read Manovich also, so I guess I have to read Manovich also.

  Well, have fun!
Andrew